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Tom Rowland Podcast

Apr 25, 2018

The birth of his second child left Matt Lawson searching for a way to take better care of himself for his family. He wanted something more holistic than the typical workout regimen, something more along the lines of both mind AND body training. He started with the Unbeatable Mind Program and corresponding workouts. The Unbeatable Mind process focuses on being present and aware as as you train your body, and the four pillars of the program are controlling your breath, positive self-talk, visualization, and effective goal setting.

Lawson started SEALFit in May 2013, and by November 2013, he was in a 20X event. This is an intense, 12-hour, nonstop event that will show you you’re capable of 20 times more than you think you can do. This was Lawson’s stepping stone event to the SEALFit Kokoro, which is where he and Rowland’s brotherhood really begins.

Listen in to hear how both Rowland and Lawson have applied the principles of these programs and events to their everyday lives in regard to both family and business. Learn their favorite resources to prepare their bodies and minds for such intense events, what their favorite books and podcasts are, and how getting out of your comfort zone both mentally and physically can impact literally every aspect of your life.


  • Tom Rowland and Matt Lawson have a shared interest and experience with SEALFit Kokoro, a 50+ hour training experience that is modeled after the S. Navy Seals’ “Hell Week”.
  • Rowland and Lawson have both used their experiences with training and participating in these high-intensity programs to improve and enrich every aspect of their lives, especially in regard to family and

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  • Tom Rowland
  • Matt Lawson
  • Mark Divine
  • Brad McLeod
  • Lance Cummings
  • Marcus Luttrell
  • Laird Hamilton
  • Gabby Reece
  • Derek Price
  • Adam Brown
  • Patrick St. Charles